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  Have the Elders ever been instructed by their bethel to call the police for abuse?

  by StephaneLaliberte in

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  2. child-abuse

  right now, there are a lot of talks on this topic in quebec and, at the mid week meeting, they are reading the letter sent in 2002 where it states that the elders will call the authorities if the law forces them to.

  the strange thing is, it looks like even when there are laws to that effect, jws seem to believe that it does not apply to them.

  for instance, i know that they do not report anything in quebec, even if it is the law!

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  cha ching

  So true, Flipper, when you simplify it:

  Elders are always told they have to call the Society.

  Victims are never told they have to call the police.

  Their values are transparent.
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  JW Ideal candidates for Life Insurance?

  by MNLifeAgent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am not a jehovah's witness, although i do respect your religion entirely.

  i am 27 years old, and live in minnesota.

  i have an older cousin, who's mother (not with my uncle -separated when my cousin was a baby) had been a witness, grew up in your word, and about 12 years ago she fully converted.

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  cha ching

  I don't know if this has been mentioned, I haven't read this whole thread, but if witnesses started buying $1,000,000 rider policies for the WT, Bethel would start training sharpshooters!
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  How Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs - Reveal News - December 10, 2016

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  how jehovah's witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs.

  by trey bundy.

  reveal news.

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  cha ching

  The WT's agent, Arthur Ash told the court that it would take years to sift through all the files, but they sure "redacted them" as in 'lickety splity'!

  How does that work?
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  Should a Priest ,Elder ,Pastor withold a crime from the relevant authorities because of a confidential confessional ?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what do you believe , is a confessional something that is sacred between the the two parties involved ?

  or does it depend on the severity of the crime/sin.. or is their a responsability of the recpient of the confession to divulge what he/she knows about the crime.?.

  what we see in movies ,tv, etc shows it is a no no .but is that true ?the confessional is only between the two involved.?.

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  cha ching

  When questions are asked, it makes people think.... People need to realize a change is needed.
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  Reveal releases outstanding audio w/Trey Bundy doing interviews. One is with a former Bethelite who cared for old GB members

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/secrets-of-the-watchtower/?utm_source=reveal&utm_medium=dist&utm_campaign=zalkin.

  not only will you hear howie tran, former-bethelite, but irwin zalkins talks about watchtower's child abuse secrets.

  debbie mcdaniels talks about her child abuse and you will hear trey actually talking to the jw who molested her..

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  cha ching

  Hey DATA-DOG... In answer to your question, how can we support Trey?

  When we asked that question, here is the answer we received:
  

  Copy / share this link with everyone, and have them share it.

  https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/secrets-of-the-watchtower/?utm_source=Reveal&utm_medium=dist&utm_campaign=zalkin

  Also, Reveal News is a non-profit reporting agency, so even small donations are helpful.
  

  cha ching
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  Should a Priest ,Elder ,Pastor withold a crime from the relevant authorities because of a confidential confessional ?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what do you believe , is a confessional something that is sacred between the the two parties involved ?

  or does it depend on the severity of the crime/sin.. or is their a responsability of the recpient of the confession to divulge what he/she knows about the crime.?.

  what we see in movies ,tv, etc shows it is a no no .but is that true ?the confessional is only between the two involved.?.

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  The leadership of JW's have to be concerned that people will question how God's Holy Spirit" and "Christ's leadership" could result in the problems that are occurring & have occurred with child sex abuse in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  In addition, remember when homosexuality and bestiality were not grounds for divorce? An "adjustment in policy" had to be made. One has to wonder, if Jesus took charge in 1919, how does one explain how these harmful policies hurt the sheep in "God's organization"? The Society wants to avoid answering these questions.

  That is why, as Irwin Zalkin (defense attorney for 18 child abuse cases) said, "The WT is acting more like a business."
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  Should a Priest ,Elder ,Pastor withold a crime from the relevant authorities because of a confidential confessional ?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what do you believe , is a confessional something that is sacred between the the two parties involved ?

  or does it depend on the severity of the crime/sin.. or is their a responsability of the recpient of the confession to divulge what he/she knows about the crime.?.

  what we see in movies ,tv, etc shows it is a no no .but is that true ?the confessional is only between the two involved.?.

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  Vidiot: :-) Yep, I was there, I remember when, 'some older ones really don't seem to think it's as big a deal as people nowadays do (i.e., "sin" as opposed to "crime").'

  Yep, I knew you were just explaining/ not condoning... as I really think people were not aware of the extent child sex abuse existed (maybe more than you even realized, as a lot of people do not even speak about what happened, I know people who haven't, even ex-JWs) People really did not know how much it hurts kids.

  That being said...... After all these years, I was recently struck by the simplicity of it all:

  Crime is the key word. Child abuse is a crime. Protect other children. Report it to the police.

  
  
  
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  How Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs - Reveal News - December 10, 2016

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  how jehovah's witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs.

  by trey bundy.

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  cha ching

  Right now WT is paying a $4,000 a day fine for 'not obeying court orders to turn over all their files. Even the "pagan, harlot riding/ beast worshiping, evil Catholic Church turned over theirs.... Tells you something doesn't it?

  Even so, what is $4,000 a day to JW's? With alleged 8 million members, it amounts to .0005 cents a day if EACH member ONLY gave a penny every 20 days.

  What that say about the value the WT places on a child's life?
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  How Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs - Reveal News - December 10, 2016

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  how jehovah's witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs.

  by trey bundy.

  reveal news.

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  cha ching

  Trey asks, "Why don't the FBI or police just storm the doors, and take the files?" and Irwin replies, 'because these are 'civil suits' and not criminal ones, o/w they could get a search warrant.'

  Why are these 'civil suits'? Because they happened so long ago, the statute of limitations has run out, they cannot prosecute them as 'criminal.'

  That would all change if someone comes forth right after it happens... Let's hope someone is going to, and then we will see what happens!
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  Article in Spanish translated into non-Google English: "I was a Jehovah's Witness pastor"

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/vida/yo-fui-pastor-de-los-testigos-de-jehova_64471_102.html.

  in english below:.

  "i was a jehovah’s witness pastor"

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  cha ching

  "They have modified merely aesthetic aspects, always omitting, unequivocally, the need to report all sexual abuse to minors."

  Thank you, Barbara & Joe, I am glad that this article got translated, and it is heartening to see how concise this ex-JW is in explaining the situation. Juan is able to answer these questions briefly and movingly in depth:

  "This is a franchise-worship that manages billions of dollars around the world. Under the guise of a particular Adventism, modified over the years by the different prophets of the Watch Tower, it has conditioned the personal and social life of hundreds of thousands of people, causing them serious problems."

  This is a dose of reality to all who read it, maybe less people in Spain will be fooled by the "sincere" people who come to their door.

  I hope the United States follows Australia's and England's and Spain's courageous examples.